It keeps an image from being clickable as it says there is a link but leads nowhere. As you know, normal images will have a pop-up when you click on it. This prevents it from doing that to flow with the text.
I think that the Appearances section has been renamed to Games, but I gotta say, the nationality parameter was removed in the first place because it was unnecessary, though what I don't think is a very good idea is adding race and ethnicity. From what I know, race and ethnicity are the same thing, except one of them is really poorly recieved among communities, and I think we can all guess which one.
Alternatively, the addition of the Documents and Notes section are a very good idea—I already had to look through pretty much all the Documents and Notes just to find the ones talking about a specific thing, so adding those would help a lot.
On an unrelated note, I'm not completely sure we need a cause of death parameter, since we could just fusion it with the Death parameter. What do you think?
EDIT: Oh, also—Affiliation. I don't know when it was added, but I'm pretty sure it's unnecessary, since pretty much everyone is against everybody else.
I made the changes because the previous design was extremely poor and unorganized. I also removed the Appearances section because it was unneccesary when it can be added under Game Information which is where that respective information belongs.
Race and Ethnicity are indeed different -- race is determined by your skin color (black) and ethnicity is based on cultural ancestry (African-American). I'm alright with either or being removed, but I think we need to keep at least one. It hurts nothing adding someone's race to their infobox, especially since we're a wiki and need to include information like that (that is what infoboxes are for). As for the nationality, I also think it should be kept for the same reason. And not everyone is American, some can be different, such as Rudolf Wernicke being German. These types of information needs to be noted.
As for the Cause of Death parameter, it should stay just to reduce the size of the Death parameter. And like NewGen said, Affiliation is based more on a group/partner, like Jeremy Blaire - Murkoff Corporation and Sullivan Knoth - Testament of the New Ezekiel.
I'm open for discussion about the infobox, but I mainly changed it because it was poorly design and organized and needed some fitting parameters.
Simply having a parameter for Appearances help a lot, since it's one of the main information someone would need, but I'm okay with it being placed somewhere else.
Everyone in the game is white, so no need for a “race” parameter, and ethnicity can be specified in the premise, which is why it was removed from the old-new design, not because “everyone is American” but because we can include it within the first sentence of the page, and I think you know me enough to know I wouldn't leave out any type of information :)
About the two other parameters, I'm alright, I just thought you'd prefer to have that more detailed, or a little shorter, I don't have a peculiar input on this.
And yeah, it is poorly designed, but the design hasn't really changed one bit. Only the way the code is arranged, which I thank you for. I think we'd all like the infobox to look better, but we don't really know. Also, isn't the infobox a little too wide compared to the older ones?
Well, if you guys agree on removing the nationality/race parameters, that beats 2-1 so I can't argue. Although, I think we should keep the general design and organization the way it is, and keep the appearances under Game Information.
As for the width of the infobox, NewGen mentioned it to me before and I notice what you mean. I looked into it and I really couldn't find a way to shorten it -- I'm not exactly familiar with this new infobox system yet. :/
I guess we should keep nationality, but remove race/ethnicity. Ya know eg Miles is American and Rudolf Wernicke is german. Also there maybe somwe characters in Outlast 2 that might have ifferent nationalities.
@Ninja, yeah, the only way I found to reduce width seemed a little archaic and I didn't completely understand it, so I preferred to leave it be.
@Araogo, shouldn't we wait for Outlast 2 before we add a nationality parameter, then? Because including a parameter for only one character doesn't seem like a great idea - I have no problem with including it in the future, but now we need to focus on what we know, not on speculation, see what I'm saying?
Eh, that was poorly worded. Let me try again. As an example, we have Murkoff, each individual game, Easter Eggs, Glitches, Morphogenic Engine, Project Walrider, etc. that do not fit under any specific category. Since they're so little of them to fit under a single category, I suggest we stick them under a single one, something along the lines of Outlast Universe or Outlastverse.
We had an idea to change up a bit of wiki's style. We made this, but it seems a bit wider than I initially expected it to be. I wanted it to be somewhat closer to this in terms of width. Any thoughts how we can fix this? Also, what's your overall response to this? Does it look good, awful, needs work? I'm curious to hear your opinion.
I'm personally not a big fan of achievements, but I don't mind them at all. I think a wiki like this can construct them very well.
Also, the warning is a good idea. Perhaps we can look into some sort of automated system for these comments instead of admins constantly patrolling them? It'd be interesting and quite helpful -- but I've never had any experience with it.
Also, the character, Dr. Strangelove, is not an Outlast character, but rather a titular one from the 1960s black-comedy film of the same name. Miles draws the comparison between him and Wernicke since both of them are former Nazis. Just wanted to check with you first, is it OK if I delete the page?
That's pretty much the only option. In a future note, if his name is mentioned yet again, we can stick with the one that has been used multiple times. Helena Granat also has few name spelling inconsistencies, but for the most part, they stuck with a single name.
Do you know how to make a collapsing template within a template? I've seen it before, but IDK how to program this specific function. There are now a lot of mentioned characters and I figured having their section collapsed separately might organize things a bit better, what do you think?
It's not for this wiki, but over on another where I'm also an Administrator. I would like to prevent anonymous users from editing pages, since there's more harm then good when they edit. So what I'm asking is, what can I do to permanently prevent them from adding content to the pages? I believe someone on The Walking Dead Wikia did the same and I was wondering if you by any chance know how?
Apparently, for this to be executed, we need to have a public discussion of whether or not anon users are allowed to edit, upon this you vote same as always, neutral, oppose or support. If we have a big enough discussion, we can send it to the wikia staff and they can apply this function. What are your thoughts on this?
Also, do you by any chance know how to create a placeholder tab, if not can you at least tell me what that is? I was asked to assist with this on another wiki and I have no idea what it could be.
If you believe this should be something executed for the wiki, then I assume to just highlight a forum and take a vote on it. Thing it, it seems nobody's too active on participating on community forums. But I suppose the active users get the chance to make changes to the wiki.
And I've never heard of a placeholder tab. I suggest asking the person who told you to do it.
IDK for the ones here, but I was thinking on doing this for another wiki. Problem is, not many are active there either. So if I start this, could you give a support for it, since anon users ruin the pages and I cannot run after them every single time.
Here's an example, we've seen a lot of sexual abuse in the game and nude characters, like the twins. People who like to troll over the wiki, swap specific words with sexually related ones to turn it into a completely different concept. In one of the wiki's, while looking over a page for a child character, someone added "Hmm, boy, I'd do her good". My best solution for this would be that when the whole wiki gets fully constructed, we simply lock the pages and leave it that way, until some new information comes our way.
Outlast especially got its prime popularity through YouTubers, including the most popular: PewDiePie. And most of PewDiePie's fanbase is either children or trolls, along with some other YouTubers. So with such, it can cause just pure mediocre edits with users with no account. So I can see where it comes from on this wiki. I also have a lot of pages that we still need to set up.
How do you add redirections to the wikia. Like, if someone searches here for or adds links to Murkoff, they can just click on that instead of having to add the full name of the page, Murkoff Corporation or just Red Barrels or RB, instead of Red Barrels Games?
Because those are exlusive to the Outlast universe. This is just a game mechanic. Hell, might as well add "Hiding" as a page (hope I didn't give you any ideas). Also, I suggest that you start adding all the images from Models to their respective page's gallery, as that will be getting deleted as well.
You're not the only admin here and you can't decide on your own. For one thing, I was gonna remove the models page as well, but even though it's a game mechanic, it features some stuff, I don't see the reason for it to be removed. I've seen plenty of wikia's feature the games mechanics on the wiki. Why is it necessary for the game featured icons to be removed?
I know that I'm not the only admin here who can't decide on my own, but these articles are not needed whatsoever. Also, Models should be deleted because all it does is showcase images, which can be simply added to their respective articles. And once again, we are our own wiki, and we don't need to be copying everyone else (from which I can only tell is coming from the Call of Duty Wiki). Also, it's necessary to remove the game icons because there is ONE game, not 20. Every article relates to only one game; and from what I can tell, one game for the rest of the time this wiki is in existence, as there will probably be only one Outlast game.
You somewhat seem like your threatening me or something. I did that before discussing it with you. Though that feature wasn't brought here by me. The reason I locked those 3 pages is because too many people edit it and either remove a lot of valuable stuff or add some unneeded ones.
I'm not threatening you whatsoever, but before I've made a reasonable mass change, you should've contacted me about my edits before you started to revert them; as you've just caused a massive "edit war" on the wiki. Also, what pages are you talking about?
Yes, the real-life icon should be removed too. Also, I suggest that you change the protection to "Block new and unregistered users" so newer users can't make absurd edits. Just as a note as well, the Lockdown template isn't needed for articles that are locked; we can go without it (including the category).
You've mentioned the locking of those three pages: I suggest that you change the lock setting to that setting. For the page of the OST, I suggest to make a table containing all those details. We could as well create separate pages for the tracks.
She's a character mentioned within the game. Almost any character who is mentioned more importantly should be created. Remember, this is an encyclopedia about the game itself, even if it is redundant information. Since my absent of my administration here, I'd like to encourage people to create even minor characters who are mentioned.
Perhaps they could use their own pages as well. As long as we can speculate general information about them, it's about enough to consider their own articles. But they can still be listed along with their linked article on the Murkoff page as well. If you can find most of their names and list them, we can start creating pages about them.
I think they should simply have a page all together, as in, they're just mentioned so there really isn't much to go and no need to make a separate page for every single one of them. We can place the short details that have been stated in the files on the page.
Although they are mentioned, they're characters within the universe of Outlast, and can very much use their own pages. With the redundant information, we can easily summarize them with their own articles. The same concept can be easily done with the Outlast Achievements and Trophies page(s), so canonical information should have their own separate articles as well.
Every wiki does it, so I thought why shouldn't we, but I also saw that most of them have simply a list of mentioned characters. IMO, I think they really don't need it. They're not even significant to the story.
A lot of wikis don't have separate achievement/trophy articles; the only wiki that I have seen with a massive amount of so it the Call of Duty Wiki. We can simply list the achievement/trophies on the given link in a table layout form with Image, Description, Trophy/GS, etc., though we have their own pages (which I don't mind). Also, a lot of them (at least documented and noted characters, which is what I'm referring to) can play a big part of the background story of the game, and they provide reasonable information within the universe of Outlast, not just the game. For now, I'd appreciate it if you could list every character within Documents and Notes in a sandbox or something, and I'll create the pages.
All right. Also, I've noticed that it doesn't seem all the documents/notes for Whistleblower weren't created, so I suggest to complete those, and then you can list all the characters mentioned in them (and link what document/note they were) so I can get to creating those. Thanks.